#ahrar_al-sham

  • De Beyrouth, #Martin_Chulov du Guardian affirme qu’ en #Syrie l’#Iran est en train d’installer des chiites (de toute nationalité) dans des zones préalablement habitées par des sunnites.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/13/irans-syria-project-pushing-population-shifts-to-increase-influence

    Et sa source est un groupe genre #al-qaida :

    Labib al-Nahas, the chief of foreign relations for #Ahrar_al-Sham, who led negotiations in Istanbul, said Tehran was seeking to create areas it could control. “Iran was very ready to make a full swap between the north and south. They wanted a geographical continuation into Lebanon. Full sectarian segregation is at the heart of the Iranian project in Syria. They are looking for geographical zones that they can fully dominate and influence. This will have repercussions on the entire region.

    • The propaganda of Martin Chulov: FAKE NEWS Propaganda in the Guardian newspaper
      http://angryarab.blogspot.fr/2017/01/the-propaganda-of-martin-chulov-fake.html

      And here I used to recommend the Guardian newspaper as an alternative to US media after Sep. 11. Now the Guardian has become indistinguishable from the New York Times and Washington Post in its propaganda coverage of Syria. This story is — simply put — made up. As you all know, Syrian rebels regularly, if not daily, produce fake news and spread them throughout social media and they are often carried in Gulf regime media, which in turn inspire Western media to reproduce them citing the authority of Qatari regime or Saudi regime media. This story is made up by Ahrar Ash-Sham. And you will see in dispatches by Western correspondents in Beirut, like Chulov, a reference such as this: “said one senior Lebanese leader”. Lebanon is deeply divided between two camps: one camp is led by HIzbullah and the other is led by the Saudi embassy in Beirut. To which camp do you think this Lebanese “leader” belongs to? And they cite “a Lebanese leader” as if any of the Lebanese leaders are independent and neutral about the war in Syria. This is like citing “a US leader” in a story about Israel.

    • J’ai un ami Sunnite originaire de Idlib qui tient le mème discours. Il parle d’un afflux massif de chiites provenant d’autres régions, d’autres pays et que les régions sunnites seraient sous le coup d’une « colonisation de peuplement. »
      En dehors de la véracité de la chose j’ai quand mème l’impression que la question religieuse prend une place de plus en plus importante dans un pays qui semblait en dehors de ce genre de tensions. L’installation des chiites est une question que je voulais vous poser.
      Pour terminer, ses « sources » sont de Idlib et non pas du Gardian, ce qui rend pas les choses plus vraies ou plus fausses mais qui peut témoigner de l’état d’esprit qui règne là bas.

    • La question que cela pose, d’un point de vue démographique, est d’où viendrait ces masses de chiites. Dans la plupart des sources sur les appartenances religieuses en Syrie, les chiites sont généralement estimés à 1% (par exemple : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrie#Groupes_.2F_Population_.2F_pourcentage). Ca vaut ce que ça vaut mais de là à parler d’invasion massive... Il s’agit principalement à ma connaissance très imparfaite de communautés urbaines (notamment au sud de Damas), de quelques petites villes frontalières de la Beqaa nord (région de Hermel au Liban) et de quelques poches dont on a parlé récemment, au nord-ouest d’Alep (zones assiégées dont les populations ont été « échangées » avec les populations évacuées d’Alep. J’aurais beaucoup de mal croire que l’Iran installe des populations d’origine iranienne ou des chiites irakiens.

    • Moi aussi j’ai des doutes, car le voeu des Usa et UE quand ils ont attaqué la Syrie c’était justement de déplacer les populations en les divisant en « chiites, sunnites, Kurdes, et autres communautés » pour faire des micro-états divisés comme en ex-Yougoslavie qui a été balkanisée de la même façon.Tout a été prévu de longue date : http://armedforcesjournal.com/peters-blood-borders-map
      Les forces armées américaines se trouvent actuellement a Erbil dans le futur Kurdistan et la France participe à créer un état kurde, ce qui déplait à Erdogan bien sur ...

    • @rumor ce sont des fakes-news en vérité, la démographie des chiites ne peux pas permettre ce qui est prétendu. C’est inverser la véritable politique contre les chiites que de les accuser de favoriser leur population minime. En vérité les sunnites, et Kurdes chasseront les Yézidis et autres communautés. HRW a dénoncé le fait de crimes commis par les Kurdes pour avoir chassés les habitants de leurs maisons, et les avoir terroriser.

    • Merci pour ce signalement qui touche à une question aussi sensible que d’actualité, même si la source (Guardian Chulov), de fait, est terriblement biaisée... @rumor : les « peuplements chiites » qui hantent les cauchemars d’une bonne partie des Syriens (cf. témoignage Unagi, auquel j’ajoute le mien, au sein des milieux alaouites !!!) seraient en provenance d’Iran, voire de plus loin (Afghanistan et Cie). Pas plus crédible pour autant, mais ça fait fantasmer encore plus sur l’invasion étrangère. Il faut vraiment que ces sociétés soient en crise pour que de tels bobards puissent prendre aussi bien...

    • Se souvenir aussi que ça fait partie du plan de de déstabilisation suggéré par l’ambassade américaine en 2006 :
      https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06DAMASCUS5399_a.html

      — Vulnerability:

      –- THE ALLIANCE WITH TEHRAN: Bashar is walking a fine line in his increasingly strong relations with Iran, seeking necessary support while not completely alienating Syria’s moderate Sunni Arab neighbors by being perceived as aiding Persian and fundamentalist Shia interests. Bashar’s decision to not attend the Talabani / Ahmadinejad summit in Tehran following FM Moallem,s trip to Iraq can be seen as a manifestation of Bashar’s sensitivity to the Arab optic on his Iranian alliance.

      –- Possible action:

      –- PLAY ON SUNNI FEARS OF IRANIAN INFLUENCE: There are fears in Syria that the Iranians are active in both Shia proselytizing and conversion of, mostly poor, Sunnis. Though often exaggerated, such fears reflect an element of the Sunni community in Syria that is increasingly upset by and focused on the spread of Iranian influence in their country through activities ranging from mosque construction to business. Both the local Egyptian and Saudi missions here, (as well as prominent Syrian Sunni religious leaders), are giving increasing attention to the matter and we should coordinate more closely with their governments on ways to better

  • Security Council ‘Unequivocally’ Condemns ISIL Terrorist Attacks, Unanimously Adopting Text that Determines Extremist Group Poses ‘Unprecedented’ Threat | Meetings Coverage and Press Releases
    http://www.un.org/press/en/2015/sc12132.doc.htm

    #nosra et similaires clairement nommés aux cotés de #ISIS

    The full text of resolution 2249 (2015) reads as follows:

    “The Security Council,

    “Reaffirming its resolutions 1267 (1999), 1368 (2001), 1373 (2001), 1618 (2005), 1624 (2005), 2083 (2012), 2129 (2013), 2133 (2014), 2161 (2014), 2170 (2014), 2178 (2014), 2195 (2014), 2199 (2015) and 2214 (2015), and its relevant presidential statements,

    [...]

    Recalling that the Al-#Nusrah Front (ANF) and all other individuals, groups, undertakings and entities associated with #Al-Qaida also constitute a threat to international peace and security ,

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    “5. Calls upon Member States that have the capacity to do so to take all necessary measures, in compliance with international law, in particular with the United Nations Charter, as well as international human rights, refugee and humanitarian law, on the territory under the control of ISIL also known as Da’esh, in Syria and Iraq, to redouble and coordinate their efforts to prevent and suppress terrorist acts committed specifically by ISIL also known as Da’esh as well as ANF, and all other individuals, groups, undertakings, and entities associated with Al-Qaida, and other terrorist groups , as designated by the United Nations Security Council, and as may further be agreed by the International Syria Support Group (ISSG) and endorsed by the UN Security Council, pursuant to the statement of the International Syria Support Group (ISSG) of 14 November, and to eradicate the safe haven they have established over significant parts of Iraq and Syria;

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  • Mais du coup, #Ahrar_al-Sham c’est toujours des gentils ou pas ?!

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/mikegiglio/us-goes-to-war-with-jabhat-al-nusra

    One U.S. official told BuzzFeed News that it was possible other hardline Islamist rebel groups — such as Ahrar al-Sham, a powerful Nusra ally — had been hit in the strikes as well: “We’re characterizing our targets as Khorasan and [ISIS] but it’s possible others were there. It is a toxic soup of terrorists.”

  • Syria and Iraq : Why US policy is fraught with danger
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-and-iraq-us-policy-is-fraught-with-danger-9722276.html
    Patrick Cockburn

    En Irak, le nouveau gouvernement est à peine moins sectaire que le précédent,

    The new [Iraqi] government may be less divisive than the old one – it would be difficult to be more – but only to a limited degree.

    ... the Sunni are more terrified of the return of vengeful Iraqi government forces than they are of Isis.

    They have reason to be frightened since revenge killing of Sunni are taking place in Amerli, the Shia Turkoman town whose two-month siege by Isis was broken last month by Shia and Kurdish fighters aided by US air strikes. Mass graves of Shia truck drivers murdered by Isis are being excavated and local Sunni are being killed in retaliation. The family of a 21-year-old Sunni man abducted by militiamen was soon afterwards offered his headless body back in return for $2,000 (£1,240).

    In the 127 villages retaken by the Kurds from Isis under the cover of US air strikes, the Sunni Arab population has mostly fled and is unlikely to return. Often Sunni houses are burnt by Shia militiamen and in one village Kurdish fighters had reportedly sprayed over the word “apostate” placed there by Isis and instead written “Kurdish home”.

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    En Syrie, la #CIA, peu convaincue par les « modérés » des wahhabites, a constitué ses propres « modérés »,

    Isis will be difficult to defeat in Iraq because of Sunni sectarian solidarity. But the reach of Isis in Iraq is limited by the fact that Sunni Arabs are only 20 per cent of the 33 million population. In Syria, by way of contrast, Sunni Arabs make up at least 60 per cent of Syrians, so Isis’s natural constituency is larger than in Iraq. Motorised Isis columns have been advancing fast here, taking some 35 per cent of the country and inflicting defeats both on other Syrian opposition fighters, notably Jabhat al-Nusra, the al-Qaeda affiliate, and on the Syrian army. Isis is now within 30 miles of Aleppo, the largest city in Syria before the war.

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    The US is now desperately trying to persuade Turkey to close the border effectively, but so far has only succeeded in raising the price charged by local guides taking people across the frontier from $10 to $25 a journey.

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    ... Mr Obama (...) will (...) step up a pretence that there is a potent “moderate” armed opposition in Syria, capable of fighting both Isis and the Syrian government at once. Unfortunately, this force scarcely exists in any strength and the most important rebel movements opposed to Isis are themselves jihadis such as #Jabhat_al-Nusra, #Ahrar_al-Sham and the #Islamic_Front. Their violent sectarianism is not very different to that of Isis.

    Lacking a moderate military opposition to support as an alternative to Isis and the Assad government, the US has moved to raise such a force under its own control. The Free Syrian Army (FSA), once lauded in Western capitals as the likely military victors over Mr Assad, largely collapsed at the end of 2013. The FSA military leader, General Abdul-Ilah al Bashir, who defected from the Syrian government side in 2012, said in an interview with the McClatchy news agency last week that the CIA had taken over direction of this new moderate force. He said that “the leadership of the FSA is American”, adding that since last December US supplies of equipment have bypassed the FSA leadership in Turkey and been sent directly to up to 14 commanders in northern Syria and 60 smaller groups in the south of the country. Gen Bashir said that all these FSA groups reported directly to the CIA. Other FSA commanders confirmed that the US is equipping them with training and weapons including TOW anti-tank missiles.

    It appears that, if the US does launch air strikes in Syria, they will be nominally in support of the FSA which is firmly under US control. The US is probably nervous of allowing weapons to be supplied to supposed moderates by Saudi Arabia and the Gulf monarchies which end up in the hands of Isis. The London-based small arms research organisation Conflict Armament Research said in a report this week that anti-tank rockets used by Isis in Syria were “identical to M79 rockets transferred by Saudi Arabia to forces operating under the Free Syrian Army umbrella in 2013”.

    In Syria and in Iraq Mr Obama is finding that his policy of operating through local partners, whose real aims may differ markedly from his own, is full of perils.

    • For US, finding right allies in Syria will be tough
      Hannah Allam
      http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/09/11/239590_turkish-aid-to-al-qaida-linked.html

      Yet the Syrian Opposition Coalition, the closest thing Obama has to an alternative to the Assad government, called the explosion that killed the jihadists a deliberate attempt to “silence the voice of #moderation.” Only in polarized Syria, with the Islamic State skewing the curve, could such a group seriously be considered mainstream.

      #Syrie #modérés

    • Joshua Landis :
      http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/9/15/why-syria-is-thegordianknotofobamasantiisilcampaign.html

      U.S. intelligence estimates that Syrian rebels are organized into more than 1,500 groups of widely varying political leanings. They control a little less than 20 percent of Syrian territory. Those designated as moderate rebel forces control less than 5 percent of Syria. To arm and fund them without first unifying them under a single military and political command would be to condemn Syria to rebel chaos.

      The U.S. is arming and funding 12 to 14 militias in northern Syria and 60 more groups in the south, according to the head of the Syrian Opposition Coalition. These militias have not, thus far, been particularly successful on the battlefield, and none has national reach. Most are based on one charismatic commander or a single region and have not articulated clear ideologies. All depend on foreign money.

      The vast majority of Syria’s rebel groups have been deemed too Islamist, too sectarian and too anti-democratic by the U.S. — and these are the groups ranged against the ISIL. They span the Salafist ideological gamut, from al-Qaeda’s Nusra Front to the 40,000-strong conglomeration of rebel forces united under the banner of the Islamic Front. Despite U.S. skepticism, some of the Sunni Arab regimes Obama has courted as key allies in the anti-ISIL effort have worked with these groups.

      Gulf countries reportedly poured money into the Islamic Front until the U.S. convinced them to stop. Islamic Front leaders decried democracy as the “dictatorship of the strong” and called for building an Islamic state. Zahran Alloush, the military chief of the Islamic Front spooked Americans by insisting that Syria be “cleansed of Shias and Alawites.” The newly appointed head of Ahrar al-Sham and the political chief of the Islamic Front earned his stripes in the ranks of the Iraqi insurgency fighting the U.S.

      Turkey insists that the U.S. arm these anti-ISIL Islamist rebel groups, including the Nusra Front. Disagreement over which rebels to back is one of the reasons Ankara has refused the U.S. requests to use Turkish territory to train rebel forces and as a base from which to carry out attacks on ISIL. The United States’ principal allies simply do not agree on which rebel forces are sufficiently moderate to qualify for support.

  • The unknown role of #Kuwait's Salafis in #syria
    http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/unknown-role-kuwaits-salafis-syria

    Rebel fighters fire a machine gun during clashes with pro-government forces on March 18, 2014 in the northern Syrian city of #Aleppo. (Photo: AFP- AMC/Tamer al-Halabi) Rebel fighters fire a machine gun during clashes with pro-government forces on March 18, 2014 in the northern Syrian city of Aleppo. (Photo: AFP- AMC/Tamer al-Halabi)

    Kuwaiti Salafis have played a central role in supporting armed groups in Syria. They have established support entities, and most of them do their work in public and are highly organized. Major credit goes to unofficial Kuwaiti money in arming a number of the biggest armed groups in Syria such as #Ahrar_al-Sham, Jaysh al-Islam, and #Al-Nusra_Front.

    Suhaib (...)

    #Mideast_&_North_Africa #Articles #Damascus #Idlib #ISIS #Latakia #Salafi